Talking Points #2 Rodriguez

Talking Points # 2 Rodriguez
Argument – I believe Rodriquez argues that for one to fit in America one (individual) must learn the English language.

Quotes.

1. “What I needed to learn in school was that I had the right- and the obligation- to speak the public language of los gringos.”
Right= Entitlement or freedom -a justified claim or entitlement, or the freedom to do something.
Obligation=Duty - something that must be done because of legal or moral duty
DOUBLE Standard Anyone? So if I read it correctly one has the choice to learn, but also has the obligation to learn. So it really isn’t a choice in the first place?
2. “Without question, it would have pleased me to hear my teachers address me in Spanish when I entered the classroom, I would have felt much less afraid. I would have trusted them and responded with ease. ”
This quote also shows how this poor child was being forced to do something he felt uncomfortable with. Was he not in bilingual classes? Why couldn’t the teachers understand that maybe if they did talk to him in Spanish he would feel more comfortable? In a way this seems like a way to force the children to learn the language.
3. “Is it possible for you and your husband to encourage your children to practice their English when they are at home? ….. In a instant, they agreed to give up the language (the sound) that had revealed and accentuated our family’s closeness.”
Do you think this was really necessary for them to do? Honestly coming from a home were my parents do not speak fluent English I personally believe they shouldn’t have even bothered to ask for such thing. Children will learn eventually asking them to practice the English language more at home I believe was not really needed simply because of that is caused in the reading.
4. “The family’s quiet was partly due to the fact that, as we children learned more and more English, we shared fewer and fewer words with our parents. Sentences needed to be spoken slowly when I child addressed his mother or father. ”
So are we being thought that once we learn the English language it’s ok to just forget about our main language and not worry about speaking with those who do not know the language?


ABOUT THE READING.

It actually wasn’t bad, easy read kept my attention because I could actually relate too many of the things happening in the story. He had many good points about multilingual individuals and how it hard for them to change.

SERVICE LEARNING

Well since I haven’t had the chance to fully talk about my experience I decided ill just post a little something about. Since we have gotten started I have gone twice honestly I was placed somewhere I really didn’t want to go, but really didn’t think it was extremely necessary to be asked to be replaced somewhere else. I thought hey teachers don’t get to choose what students they want to have in their classrooms so w.e. The first day I went I felt a little awkward the secretary didn’t seem to care that I walked in if I wouldn’t have asked them a question I don’t think they would have even noticed I walked in so that was weird. When I got to the class room I was a assigned I just walked in and introduced myself to the teachers there were 3 of them for about 17 3rd grade ESL students. I was then assigned to work with this one boy who not long ago had come from Bolivia and didn’t speak any English. At first everyone was working on vocab words and he just sat there, mind you the words were written on the board only in English this child sat there playing with his pencil without any care to what everyone else was doing. I asked him to write the words and when he did I asked him to try and pronounce them he wasn’t able to so I read the words and told him to repeat them after me this he did well. I then asked him if any of these words sounded like a word in Spanish and he said no. Most of them did tho, I was become frustrated because I thought he wasn’t trying but then I told him which words sounded alike and he agreed but then another problem arose in Spanish these words meant a couple of different things so I asked the teacher if it was all right for me to draw pictures on index cards for him and she said yes and that it was a real good idea. Then we did some math and he was also behind, but he said he liked doing math. One thing I found strange about this class was a good and full of these students were capable of being in regular but I guess there parents also want them to learn Spanish so they were also in this class. This I believe is stupid because some know both languages and others only know Spanish and the text books are completely in English no translations at all. So I though t to myself these children are going to learn English the hard way or not at all, which I don’t think is fair. Ookkk that’s enough just wanted to say a few words about it maybe I’ll share some more Thursday.

Talking Points # 1 on Kozol/ Golberg

Kozol Amazing Grace:

Context; This reading was mainly about a couple of the poorest cities in New York.
Different Poverty levels and it's effects to the people living in these places.

Argument; I bieleve Kozol argues that these people are mistreated because of their living status/situations.

EXAMPLES:

1."The point is that they put a lot of things into our neighborhood that no one wants," she says. "The waste incinerator is just one more lovely way of showing their affection."

This I believe backs up that argument because usually in most neighborhoods they go around tallying the people’s votes before they add anything or remove anything to or from a certain neighborhood. But since most of the people in that neighborhood are living off of the government’s money they probably think it’s ok for them to step all over them.

2. “The time before, when I had a fever my doctor said I had pneumonia. I waited in the emergency room two days to be admitted.”

When I read that I honestly couldn’t believe it, I don’t think this is fair not at all. Even though the hospital may be really short staffed or not have enough room I think 2 days is completely ridiculous. Why couldn’t they have an ambulance take her to another hospital in another part of the City or anywhere else?

3. “My doctor says, when it comes to poor, they can’t get nothin’ right.”

So glad a doctor noticed and tells a poor person the “truth” for once huh? That’s a shame how they admit to that. What are poor’s worthless? Just because there poor do we have to treat them differently with importance?


About the reading;
Personally I think this was an easy reading, not boring at all I actually could have picture these neighborhoods in my head. I liked how he used different peoples experiences and still made the same point.


Goldberg 110 People:

Context: This piece is about Goldberg disscusing what he thinks about Jonathan Kozol's ways.

Argument: He argues that Kozol thinks education cannot and should not be politically unbiased.

Examples:
1. "Kozol is the patron saint of today's powerful liberal educational establishment."

Honestly i dont see why this is such a problem to him is he wants to support liberbal education let him be. Why is it that all schools teach the same things over and over know one never learns anything different every one starts on Columbus and ends up discussing the World wars.

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About ME ii GUESS

Ok so here goes... UmmM As you can see my name is LISBETH YES like Liz & Beth put together lol. I’m only 18, but will soon be turning 19 on October 3rd =D. Unfortunately it’s only my second year here at R.I.C but hey eventually I’ll be gone. I’m majoring in Elementary education. Oh yea I am currently living on campus and when I am not in class I’m pretty much just in my room really really miserable because I live in Browne and my walls are also BROWN and I hate that color & I asked to paint them and they said I couldn't =( . Ok maybe I am over exaggerating a little too much but yea idk know what else to say so I am going to leave it at this for now…